Pickton Trial

The Big Picture In A Post-Verdict World

Trisha Baptie, missing women, Downtown Eastside

I know you can't blame a single family; EVERYONE shares responsibility.


As I write this, I am in a situation of knowing I should call social services. I try convincing myself neglect is different than abuse, and I have no responsibility, but what really stops me is that I do not believe where I am sending that child is any better. '
By Citizen Correspondent Trisha Baptie
Date Posted: 12/27/07
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Well, it’s been 18 days since the verdict and in a perfect world, I would be over the emotional impact of the trial, fully engaged in Christmas and enjoying some down time possibly into the New Year. None of that has worked out.

Pickton, in some form or another, has hovered in my consciousness daily. Issues and causes I thought I would pick up in the New Year cannot be put on the back burner until then. One of those issues is the plight of the women, and this issue has faded from the media, which is why I feel compelled to address it. After I address the issues that faced Pickton’s victims and those still facing women on the street, hopefully I can take some “me time” and focus on family and friends and little baby Jesus’ birthday.

I’ve been hearing a lot in the media and in general conversations about people’s very valid questions about what happened in Pickton's victims’ lives to drive them into this lifestyle. Unfortunately I think too many have tried to blame solely the parents, without knowing the parent’s side of the story.

I am not here to speak for the families or completely abdicate them of blame, but for the whole picture, we must look at many factors: the parents, the police, the laws, the choices that parents have when trying to get their kids out of bad friendships/relationships, the bad choices kids make when experimenting with drugs and/or drinking, and so many other factors.

I will speak from my life, the experiences of my close personal friends and snippets from the families of Pickton's victims that I got to know when sitting with them during the 10 days of deliberations.

I came from a middle-class background with a nice house and material things. Life looked good, except for the fact that my Dad was an extremely disturbed individual himself and dealt with life by physically abusing his wife and emotionally and mentally abusing his children.


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Re: The Big Picture In A Post-Verdict World

By Hazel8500, January 12, 2008 at 09:17

Once again, an excellent article Trisha. I completely understand where you are coming from in this piece. I was also a foster kid, shuffled around exposed to great violence, substance abuse etc. I remember the shelters, the midnite trips to a neighbors the ineffectual attitudes of the police who would never cart the abuser away, instead insist us kids and mom leave the house. I am convinced had we been treated with respect, been protected from violent and recurring assaults, had a safe place to go when trouble erupted, been treated DECENTLY by neighbours, teachers etc our young lives would have been much better and perhaps no one would have found selling their bodies to be a valid way to make a living.

This is a societal problem. The fault ultimately lies with Pickton and his "clan" (cuz come on how many of us actually believe he acted alone right?) But it is all our responsibilities to ensure our neighbors, friends and relatives are okay.

As for blaming the families as some have been doing, thats so lazy! Especially when considering how many of these women came out of the foster care system, and whose families were restricted from spending time with their children for whatever reasons.
I don't hold my biological family responsible for the things that happened to me while I was in care. I blame my caretakers and the social services people who placed me in a dangerous, impoverished, isolated home and then failed to check on me regularly. Thats who I blame in my particular situation.

Plus, a number of women who've been murdered on the DTES, were deeply loved by those who took them in. It's the system that is broken, and it's the system of taking care of our neediest children that needs to be scrutinized.

They say it takes a village to raise a child. I firmly believe that. These women were raised by Canadian society, government and individual's. We are all to blame after all this is our society made up through our labour, laws and history.

I'd like to now turn my attention to Wayne Leng. Mr. Leng has been a constant source of strength for me. We've never met but have corresponded and I did get a chance to chat with him recently. It was through his diligent documentation of all things related to the DTES and the Pickton trial that the public got a chance to learn what was actually happening with the investigation. IMHO it was due Mr. Lengs hard work with missingpeople and missingpeices and media that this case got the public attention it deserved.

When I was being stalked, hounded and hacked for speaking out against violence against women and children, out of my small online group of friends, it was him who thought to help me out and cheer me up. I am quite grateful for all his small kindnesses.

Its funny you know, people who speak as though Sarah was victimized by Wayne must be wearing rose coloured glasses because they were equally on the DTES. Birds of a feather draw together and it could be as easily stated what kind of friend was she to him? Like Been there said, A good friend does not help keep someone sick. When people do drugs together, they do them TOGETHER, its not like anyone forced anyone to it.

Anyway I could go on and on and on, but I have to get to work, so off I go.
But Trisha, once again dang good writing. Orato is very fortunate to have found you!

Hazel.

Re: The Big Picture In A Post-Verdict World

By Robyn Stubbs, January 9, 2008 at 16:06

Trisha,

I have long wanted to say what you have said in this piece, but didn't have the courage for fear of exposing too much of myself. I guess that's you've become a beacon of light for Orato.com, Pickton's victims and the people of the Downtown Eastside's of the world. I found this point particularly poignant:

"A family does not necessarily need to be dysfunctional for a child to go haywire. All that is required is for a child to lack a individual ability to deal with life. It can come from a child having a perceived wrong done to them and nothing being done to change it. It can come from a teenager being a teenager and testing boundaries in unacceptable ways that put him or her at risk."

You're right - there are a lot of crappy situations out there. There are a lot of loving, stable homes out there. And people struggling with addiction and mental illness come from all of them.

Thanks again,
Robyn

Re: The Big Picture In A Post-Verdict World

By Trisha Baptie, January 10, 2008 at 08:30

I have to speak up on behalf of Wayne Leng, I will be the first to admit I am not his best friend nor am I his confessor. However during the final portion of the trial I did get to meet him, listen to his stories and in fact remain in contact with him to this day.
I found him to be a soft spoken man who is passionate about seeing Sarah DeVries killer brought to justice.
I cannot speak to his past, I can only speak to who I met and I must say I met a man who truly cared for Sarah, who walked with her through a lot of her issues and who has close contact with her family ,close enough that he does in fact vacation with them.
It was also a relative of one of the murdered women who paid for him to fly up here for the end of trial, Lori-Ann Ellis funded his trip up here on behalf of herself, Judy Trimble, Rick & Lynn Frey, Marilyn Kraft and Lilliane Beaudoin and Ella.
I will not speak to how he met Sarah for I do not know, but if you are assuming he was a john I will say this, if I can work through life to become a "former" prostitute I sincerely believe men deserve the same chance and in fact they too can become "former" johns.
However he met her, he loved her.
A lot.
He has poured a lot of time into the missing women's website, as well as other on-line groups for the families of the murdered women and if her family has embraced him, who are you to judge who he was to her if you were not intimately part of the relationship?

Re: The Big Picture In A Post-Verdict World

By beenthere, January 6, 2008 at 06:16

I agree with a lot of what Trisha said in her article. Many if not most of Pickton's victims came from at the least dysfunctional families. Not all of course but the majority did.

These women did not suddenly wake up one day and decide to become a drug addicted sex trade worker. A lot of people played a part in this decision, including their families. Mothers, fathers, grandparents, aunts and uncles who were not there to protect them when they needed protection.
It was easy when the shit hit the fan for some of the families to just point their fingers at VPD (Who I believed deserved finger pointing at) forgetting that as they did so three other fingers were pointing back at themselves.

Where were the mothers when the fathers or uncles or grandparents were sexually abusing these women when they were small? Where were the fathers when their mothers lay drunk and unable to care for the children? Where were the police, the child protectors when these children needed protection? Where were the supervisors when these same children were further abused in foster care/ in residential schools?

How dare people claim to have been more than they were! How dare they ............. all they were were providers of drugs, drugs that helped keep these women sick. They can try to fool everyone into believing they were more than a trick but those of us who have been there know diffferent.

Curious to see what comes out of the next trial.

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